A Spirited Discussion on Wokeness with Sally Kohn, Author and a Former Fox News Contributor
In a world increasingly divided by political and social ideologies, it’s crucial to explore topics that might seem polarizing but are deeply impactful. This week, we continue dialogue on a topic often associated with diversity, equity, and inclusion (DEI): ‘wokeness’. Host Leigh Morgan delves into these complex themes with guest Sally Kohn, former FOX News contributor, media coach and author of “The Opposite of Hate.” Sally shares her take on wokeness, the new administration, structural dimensions of inequality and despite deep divisions in society, we can bridge divides and not surrender one’s values.
The Wokeness Debate: Origins and Controversies
The term “wokeness” has entered the common vernacular, often laden with political charge. As Leigh notes, the debate around wokeness includes perspectives that both decry it as societal decay and acknowledge its roots in anti-racist thought. Sally provides an insightful historical backdrop, recounting how the concept originally emerged from Black activist culture, signifying awareness of systemic injustices. The episode reveals how terms can be appropriated, sparking misunderstandings and polarizing debates.
DEI Under the Microscope
Kohn points out that discussions of DEI are at the heart of today’s cultural divisions. While some see DEI initiatives as crucial for social justice, others oppose them as unnecessary or divisive. Kohn offers a candid critique of how the language around these initiatives can sometimes foster “us vs. them” narratives, overshadowing the overarching goal of these programs: to repair systemic inequities and build a more inclusive society.
Bridging Divides: How to Move Beyond the Us vs. Them Mindset
A focal point of the conversation involves the delicate task of transcending binary, ‘all or nothing’ thinking and moving toward dialogue and understanding. Kohn emphasizes the importance of engaging with others through genuine curiosity and the willingness to understand different perspectives. She argues for a deeper narrative, suggesting that true societal progress will come not from labeling opponents but from actively listening and addressing the systemic roots of inequity.
Practical Steps Forward
So, how can we start bridging these vast societal divides?
Leigh and Sally share their lessons learned. Leigh suggests avoid ‘loaded’ language, self-regulate and discuss only when not upset (before the boiling point). Sally’s tips include active listening and checking for understanding, see dialogue and avoid arguments. And, don’t try to have thoughtful conversation when the other person isn’t able to listen.
Conclusion: A Path Toward Empathy and Connection
The podcast encapsulates a vital call to action—lean into empathy and complexity. It’s an invitation to hold contradictions, like loving a country while critiquing its history, as a means to grow both individually and collectively. In truth, bridging divides requires patience, openness, and the courage to step into dialogue with those we might fundamentally disagree with.
By embracing these principles, we can hope to move past simplistic divides and toward a society that values collective growth over individual victory. The path to understanding and bridging societal divides begins with us, one conversation at a time.
ADDITIONAL RESOURCES
Check out Sally’s terrific TEDWomen talk on the Culture of Hate, you won’t regret it: https://www.ted.com/talks/sally_kohn_what_we_can_do_about_the_culture_of_hate?language=en
